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realityaddict06
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Nov 30, 2006 12:04 AM
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byn63
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Nov 3, 2006 12:51 PM
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I've never really studied hypnosis but, I have to say the description of inmate's dialogue during HIS SESSIONS starts my BS meter going very loudly! Does anyone have the experience that can shed light on our questions/concerns???
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Bunny2
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Nov 3, 2006 11:08 AM
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stinkerbelle
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May 24, 2006 8:39 PM
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on one hand, i agree with you spammy. i'd be scared too (kind of like in horror movies...if creepy things are happening, don't go into the basement!). but like OW said, i'd probably be full of adrenaline and go screaming out that door, yelling for help, bad guys lurking be damned.
and speaking of such....just why WOULD anyone hang around (a la "helena" on the street corner)? they wouldn't, simple as that. oh i take that back, sometimes arsonists will wait for the firetrucks, so i suppose there are drug-crazed hippies out there who like to wait for the ambulance.
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oftenwonder
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May 24, 2006 3:09 PM
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I don't believe running to the neighbors to get help for my dying family would seem "risky" to me. I would be "reacting". Since MacDonald says it was quiet when he woke up on the floor, the fact that there was no noise would tell me that the murderers were no longer in the apartment. I certainly don't think murderers would "hang around outside" after they had slaughtered three people either. I think they would be long gone. If you believe MacDonald, the intruders would have had plenty of time to "finish MacDonald off" before running out the back door. MacDonald said he woke up laying on the floor with his back exposed.
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Spamela
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May 24, 2006 2:51 PM
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If I woke up to find my family dead, and I saw the back door was open, I would be afraid to go outside, because if the attackers saw me they would finish me off, since they just butchered three people. How did Inmate know the attackers were gone? They might have gone outside for a smoke break. Even going outside to pound on my neighbor's doors would seem risky.
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oftenwonder
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May 24, 2006 2:26 PM
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I have often wondered why MacDonald threw in the statement about looking out the back door (other than to point out the point of entry for the intruders since the front door had not been opened). Why on earth would anyone look out the back door for intruders when your family is dying!! I have never figured that out. If there were intruders anywhere around, one would not have to look for them. If they aren't in your face, they are gone, right (isn't this is a no brainer)? If I was going to do anything in regard to the back door (or any door) after my family had been attacked, it would be to run out the door and get help; I certainly would not just "look out the back door".
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stinkerbelle
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May 23, 2006 5:46 PM
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> Interesting point, about the dialogue. When a person
> is hypnotized are they speaking what they said in the
> event they are remembering? Meaning he would only be
> repeating his end of the conversion? Or would he be
> giving a narration?
my question exactly! thanks for wording it in a way that actually makes sense lol!
i've never been hypnotized either and the only time i've witnessed it, there was no dialogue, just acting like fools.
so can anyone shed any light on this?
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Spamela
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May 23, 2006 5:39 PM
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Interesting point, about the dialogue. When a person is hypnotized are they speaking what they said in the event they are remembering? Meaning he would only be repeating his end of the conversion? Or would he be giving a narration? I have never been hypnotized, nor have I studied it, so I don't know how it work. Once, I did hear a person having a one sided conversation with a ghost and it was a pretty freaky experience. I wonder when MacDeath finally meets his maker, will Mrs Inmate talk to him, still? She is such a drama queen that she will probably wear black for a year.
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stinkerbelle
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May 23, 2006 5:21 PM
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teehee spammy! we had that discussion over on courttv and decided the army should send pj tops to the soldiers in iraq.
ok, does this statement seem weird to anyone but me?
> I pick up --- I dial 0 --- an operator --- Yes?
> --- This Captain MacDonald --- I need help --- People
> are dying --- We've been stabbed --- 544 Castle Drive
> --- Hurry --- There's people been stabbed --- We're
> dying --- and MP's and ambulances --- Send help ---
> We need help --- She says is it on the post or off
> post --- I don't know --- I can't figure out why she
> asked me that --- I said it's on post --- I threw the
> phone down ---
ok, now looking at the bold portions....who is it that's saying "yes?" is it the operator when she answers the phone? not very professional of her. or is it jeffy? why is he saying yes? if i were calling the equivalent to 911 and i wouldn't say, "yes, this is so and so. i'd like to report a crime." i'd be yelling for help as soon as i heard a voice on the other end.
and secondly. the statement "She says is it on the post or off post"...is this the way someone under hypnosis might phrase that? it seems odd to me. and if it's the operator saying "yes" then why is he relating what she's saying rather than just using her words (i.e. "she is asking..." rather than just "is this on post or off post sir?" kwim?)?
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Spamela
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May 23, 2006 1:20 PM
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Wow, that pj top must have been something. What work he went through to get it off his hands. The police should be alerted of this, instead of handcuffs, they could save money by using pj tops. And the pj top could also act as body armor, since it protected MacDeath so well.
My head hurts --- in front of the bathroom --- just walking into the bedroom. There's something on the floor --- I can't see well --- Colette --- She's leaning against the green chair --- Can't get the pajama top off my hands --- I'm trying to find some light --- I've got the light on --- I've got to get the pajama top off --- I'm pulling on it to get it off my hands --- It's coming off --- off yes ---
It is dark, but he can see the color of the grass? Get real. What a liar.
I pick up --- I dial 0 --- an operator --- Yes? --- This Captain MacDonald --- I need help --- People are dying --- We've been stabbed --- 544 Castle Drive --- Hurry --- There's people been stabbed --- We're dying --- and MP's and ambulances --- Send help --- We need help --- She says is it on the post or off post --- I don't know --- I can't figure out why she asked me that --- I said it's on post --- I threw the phone down --- Standing at Colette's feet --- I notice door is opened --- the back door --- Out --- outside door --- It's cold out --- And wet --- I looked around to see if I could see people --- Dark --- My feet feel wet --- I can see the grass --- Winter grass --- It's not green --- I can see the sidewalk --- It looks wet --- Can't see anyone --- I can't figure out what's going on --- I can't figure out how to help Colette --- I walk back down the hallway --- I don't know --- I don't know what to do --- Standing in the hallway --- I can't figure out what --- what ---
And here we have Dr. Death changing his story to fit the evidence, that his pj fibers were under Kim and under the covers.
I've got to get up --- I can't breathe well though --- My head hurts --- I get up --- I have to push myself up --- I got to --- got to check Kimmy --- Kimmy is my little girl --- I've got to see her --- I go back to see her --- I give her mouth to mouth --- Kimmy is limp Kimmy looks terrible --- I pick her up --- My left hand is under her shoulder --- picking her up towards me --- My right arm is under her neck --- I give Kimmy mouth to mouth --- It doesn't feel right --- There's no resistance to her breathing --- The air must be escaping --- It must be coming out of her neck or chest --- I put her back --- She's got --- She's got wounds in her upper chest or neck --- It's not going to work --- I can't help her --- Mouth to mouth won't work --- Check her pulse --- I checked her femoral pulse --- There's no pulse --- I pick her up --- pick up bed clothes --- Her bed clothes --- And lay them on her --- And go see Kristie.
Liar. Coward. Butcher.
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colduck
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May 22, 2006 10:24 PM
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I read somewhere in FV that, after witnessing one of these sessions, somebody stated "if he's guilty, he deserves an Academy Award"...
Yep, Mac is a good actor, for sure. Wonder if he ever wishes he'd taken the acting route, instead of med school? Maybe he could have "acted" psychotic rages out in fictional roles, and he wouldn't be in jail for murder.
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kchisholm
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Justthefacts
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There are a number of problems with that hypnosis session. Here are the highlights:
1) The videotape clearly shows that MacDonald had 2 separate sessions. He wore 2 different shirts in the footage as did the examiner.
2) MacDonald's arm is outstretched in 1 of the sessions and his hands are clasped in the other session.
3) MacDonald provides far more detail during these sessions than he did to the CID in 1970 and at the Grand Jury hearings in 1974-1975.
4) The descriptions he gave of the intruders from these sessions don't even come close to matching the "suspects" from the Stoeckley group.
5) Considering he flunked a polygraph exam only months after the murders, his recollections during hypnosis 9 years after the murders, are meaningless.
Justthefacts.
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pamala397
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May 19, 2006 10:13 PM
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I hate vcr's now. I wish I wouldn't have thrown all his letters away to. Though they were not sexual at all. We pretty much talked about football, and believe it or not he called me on x-mas day and we got into an argument over who was going to the superbowl. Of course he was wrong and I made him feel like a complete fool.  |
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