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USAFBrat
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
Jun 12, 2005 2:10 AM
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"If you feel so strongly about your views of Mr. McCain's service to our country, perhaps you should get a sandwich board and protest outside your local VFW and see what they think about your opinion." I say even money that muffyjr may not be out in front of the VFW for long. 45 seconds tops. Have you seen the size of some of these guys that frequent VFW halls? All kidding aside, I agree with the rest of the folks about the ignorant post by muffyjr. My father was a B-52 pilot during Vietnam and watching the flashback scenes with McCain and his dad reminded me of some of the conversations we used to have. Now that I have a 3 year old daughter, I wish to pass on those same lessons that I learned from my father to her. The movie was very apolitical and was more of a lesson in character and values that we seemed to have forgotten in this country. Outside of the occassional college or pro football game, I rarely watch much TV because it has gotten too sleazy and it tends to celebrate the worst of humanity. However I was glad I watched this movie from beginning to end and was very moved. I wish we would have more movies or TV shows like this that celebrate people with values and character.
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flntny
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
Jun 1, 2005 8:53 AM
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mother t- you are right about mccain's daughter. mrs mccain was doing volunteer work in africa when she met her. she brought her back to the usa and adopted. during the s.c. primary. there was push polling in which people got phone calls and were asked if it bothered them that mccain was the father of an illegitimate black child. there was no reference made to the fact that the child was adopted. the question was poised in a way to lead the responder to an incorrect assumption. the rove/ bush/ cheney team are experts at those tactics.
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MotherT
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 31, 2005 11:56 PM
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The black child of which is spoken is a child that McCain adopted. It was his wife, Cindy's, idea because the girl needed a home. What a wonderful and unselfish thing to do in adopting a child that doesn't have to be of your same race. Again, I salute this man.
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jimclarke
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 31, 2005 10:21 PM
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Air Force pilots were held prisoner as well.
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ARC
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 31, 2005 9:43 PM
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Hey Slydur51 McCain was Navy. The Air Force didn't just sit behind desk like you claim. There were men called Forward Air Controllers that called in the guns from the field. They were as valuable as the Rangers.
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flntny
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 31, 2005 10:49 AM
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during the 2000 republican primary, after mccain won in n.h., there were several efforts to discredit him in s.c. sponsored by a tx land raper. utilizing the testomony of a former pow, this was one of the claims used in those efforts. another was that mccain is the father of a black child. the same person was the sponsor of the swiftboat veterans for truth and most recently a campaign claiming that the aarp promotes gay marriage. most viet vets, regardless of political leanings, believe that those who served should be honored.
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MotherT
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 31, 2005 12:10 AM
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Evidently this dude has not seen a map of Vietnam. If he looked at a map of North Vietnam and saw where Hanoi was located, he would see that Hanoi would not have been near any US soldiers or base. McCain and his other POWs were in downtown Hanoi for Heaven's sake. Even without his multiple injuries, he wouldn't have made it out.
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syldur51
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 30, 2005 9:35 PM
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How would you know what they did to survive. All the US AIR FORCE does is sit at their desk.
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ThankUVets
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 30, 2005 5:35 PM
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Well muffyjr, you've been pretty quiet since your brilliant post. I hope the postings from the other people here were able to show you how utterly stupid your comment was. It actually made me a little sad to see that a poster like you would seek out an area like this to lash out at someone like Senator McCain. I participated in Rolling Thunder yesterday, to show my respect for people like Mr. McCain, and in particular....the ones that never made it back. If you feel so strongly about your views of Mr. McCain's service to our country, perhaps you should get a sandwich board and protest outside your local VFW and see what they think about your opinion.
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Bearsgurl
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 29, 2005 7:33 PM
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I was born with Osteogenesis Imperfecta (extremely fragile bones). This means that over my lifetime I have experienced countless fractures and surgeries. Seeing the list of injuries Sen. McCain suffered during and after his ejection from his aircraft, were massive and incredibly painful. Not only would someone in that condition be unable to escape, he had a very good chance of dying. Thank the Lord he made it and had the character and fortitude to hold up, but knowing how painful those injuries are, from personal experience I would guess there were moments he must have wondered if surviving was in the cards for him. Thank you Sen. McCain and to the other pilot who posted here in his support. Although I am Canadian, I am very grateful for all those who serve whether they be Canadian or American. We all have benefited greatly from your sacrifices.
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AirForceJAG
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 29, 2005 6:33 PM
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The U.C.M.J. is a set of criminal statutes. What I think you are attempting to discuss is the Code of Conduct, which sets standards for POWs. However, no objective review of the conduct of John McCain, Bud Day and the others there could conclude that they just sat around and waited for help. Please remember that your rights to free speech have been maintained by better individuals than yourself.
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waspainjr
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Re: Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 29, 2005 10:33 AM
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Evedently, you were not a Vietnam Veteran, and were a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. there was no escape. I doubt very much, you even served in the armed forces. Such a statment as you just made is igronant. I feel sorry for you.
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muffyjr
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Uniform Code of Military Justice
May 27, 2005 10:35 PM
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You are honoring the wrong people, the UCMJ states that if capture you do everything possible to affect an escape, not sit around waiting for help. The men who died serving their country and living up to the Code should be the one's honored not the cowards who sat around waiting for help.
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