this move is horrible

Hey - Rockclimber - I was there - I saw the towers fall. My brother was killed in the South Tower. Would you like to see my keys? They have "World Trade Center" printed on them. How about the piece of marble from the lobby of the Marriott? Thats where they found his body. Get your head out of where it doesn't belong, wake up and then crawl back under that rock! And for the record - I watched the movie, I own the movie and I love the heros - all of them - of 9/11.

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Edited by farbeitfromme at 02/18/2008 5:18 PM

Coming from someone who lost seven members of my family that horrid day, I know i'll never forget it, but it hurts to be reminded of it in a movie or commercials for the movie at every turn. I feel sorry for the other family's that had to endure this movie and whom had to relive that tragic day once again.

to the cfile, it is not 'obvious' a plane crashed into the pentagon. If it was why was the hole in the side of the building MUCH smaller than what would have been created by an actual plane. Where is the wreckage? Why is there no footage of a 'plane' hitting a building with thousands of cameras in it? Even experienced pilots who've seen the radar of what that plane supposedly did before it hit the pentagon say there is no way a novice could have flown that flight path.

second, there was plenty of time to stop the planes, but cheney gave a stand down order, except for the last plane, flight 93, which the military did shoot down.

third, jet fuel burns 1000 degrees cooler than is neccessary to melt steel. And if this so-called pancake effect had happened, why did the buildings fall at or close to freefall speed? this pancaking would have been much slower than the actual time the buildings took to fall.

I have educated myself by reading thousands of pages of books and online information, all documented, that points to our government being complicit, that means thay helped 9-11 happen(didn't mean to use a big word there you wouldn't understand since apparently you need all your info spoonfed to you from foxnews or republican talking points) the PBS special you referred to also has an interview with the new owner of the WTC, and he said "they pulled" building 7. That means it was professinally demolished with explosives. that takes time to set up, but they pulled the building on the afternoon of 9-11. That PBS documentary did more to debunk 9-11 than anything if you understand physics at all.

Do yourself a favor and do some research of your own and we will have a civil debate about what really happened on 9-11. Let me know when you finish your factfinding because nothing you posted before contained any facts.

Answer me this, why was all the concrete from the WTC towers pulverized? This only occurs with high explosives, not from a building falling down, no matter what caused it to fall.


Why did the bush administration do everything in its power to stop an investigation, and when they finally did investigate, they didn't allow what happened an 9-11 to even be looked into, just what intelligence blunders led up to it. It was over a year before they allowed the sham of the Kean-Zelikow investigation to take place. Any other tragedy our country has suffered had investigations started within 2 weeks.


Does nobody think for themselves anymore? Any one out there as pissed as I am about being lied to about the deaths of over 3,000 americans just on that day alone? More are dieing because this administration lied about the air quality in NY after 9-11 so now thousands more have the 9-11 cough. Don't see any newspaper articles about that do you.

Yes, I think it's quite clear who the idiots are.

oh yeah, your fourth point about all
the hijackers being dead, as I said, they aren't. Six of the alleged hijackers are alive, and had nothing to do with the hijackings, and were as suprised as anybody to see they were supposedly on those flights.

INFOWARS.COM check it out and then maybe we can talk

to bq, who is really heartless here, the ones who perpetrated those heinous acts on 9-11 or me for bringing up the fact that we have all been lied to from day one about 9-11. Did you know it took over a year for the gov't to start an official "investigation" into 9-11, and then it was that farce called the 9-11 commission. You don't even want to get me started on that. Any other tragedy that has struck our country before the neocons took over was looked at and investigations started within 2 weeks, from Lincolns assasination to Nixons wiretapping. WAKE UP and stop watching fox fictionilized news. And you have no idea what I do in my personal life, but voluntary community service is a big part of my life and any other details are really none of your business. Do Unto Others, and I don't like being lied to so I don't lie to others. i know what I'm talking about and have researched 9-11 extensively. Your watching fox news or listening to o'lielley or rush don't count as research. They are paid political pundits who fall back on personal attacks when faced with the truth as you have. Peace

Rockclimber I feel that you are the one that is the "IDIOT", heartless, cold blooded and I could go on but you get the message.
This movie is about lives that were taken on that one day, at that one moment in time that we could never get back. There was a message that we all as human beings should have gotten from this. Does it really matter who we point the finger at? Does it matter who was at fault for not doing their job? Would it bring these people back? For myself I say yes it matters but it has been done and we can't do anything to bring them back. For the families and loved ones of all those that were killed (whether it was in the air or on the ground) they can never forget. They have let the world in to share what happen as they knew it. We only seen it, THEY HAVE LIVED IT. I seen the movies many many times and each time I see it, I take something from it. I don't cry for the ones that died, they are gone now to a much better place. I cry for the ones left being that have had to continue this life without them in it. And to know these families have chosen to share last minutes so very person and very private with the world. What a blessing and I feel so honored that they let me into that special place.
So before you call anyone an idiot, why don't you look in the mirror and look long and hard. What would you have done if you had been on any of those planes? Who would you call if you knew your life was about to end and you only had one call to make? When was the last time you did something for someone else without thinking about yourself first?

Who's the true idiot, me for researching what really happened on 9-11, or you for blindly believing whatever the gov't tells you. Even a moderate objective look at what happened on that day should raise more questions than anything.

How did a plane supposedly fly into the pentagon, a building with air defenses. The only planes that can come within a certain distance of the pentagon have to be 'friendly' or military, or they will be shot down automaticly. Where is the footagge showing this plane hitting the pentagon. There should be dozens of camera views available considering it is the headquarters for our military don't you think?

Why did the twin towers fall in the first place? No building had EVER collapsed due to fire. Just a year ago a highrise burned for DAYS and did not collapse.

Why are 5 or 6 of the alleged hi-jackers still alive?

Why were there NO arabic names on the flight manifests for those flights?

Now who's the real idiot again?

you're an idiot. I feel sorry for you.

I am glad to find someone who understands why some of us try to remember that day. I am glad that we are on the same page about this devasting day. I know that most of the families prob dont read this stuff but I want to tell them thank you for letting us know the stories that they had to tell from the phone calls on Flight 93. Thank you RCWEAVER for still remembering.