Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

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Last Post Oct 17, 2007 1:34 AM by: wilma50
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Dec 1, 2006 3:43 AM
> > So, you support buying your way out of punishment
> for
> > crimes, especially serious crimes? You believe
> that
> > having a title in society; a name; should get you
> off
> > the hook, even when the death of others is
> involved?
> >
> > You believe in America.
> >
> > Edited by WestAir Forums at 11/30/2006 3:31 PM
>
>
> Say What? I don't understand what you mean? Are
> ? Are you addressing me or someone else?

I do believe that he is addressing you, joy - perhaps I am wrong, but it struck me as being a rhetorical remark on the state of the world.

And as far as oj being "old & crippled with arthritis" as you posted - no.
Any injuries that he sustained during his football career have not disabled him at all.
The man lives to play golf & thoroughly enjoys a tennis match.

As to the civil suit filed & won, that is the perogative of the families - the families who proceeded to practise this government sanctioned right, to prove his guilt. This was not only their last chance at justice, but also a chance to get custody of those beautiful children.
oj is an individual who 'rolled the dice' on his face/fame and won.
This does not make him innocent.
And for him to have the supreme audacity to write and have a book published titled "If I Did It", is outrageous and egocentric! This individual is bragging - thumbing his nose at everyone.
I believe in the old adage "what goes around comes around".
joyn49
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 6:39 PM
> So, you support buying your way out of punishment for
> crimes, especially serious crimes? You believe that
> having a title in society; a name; should get you off
> the hook, even when the death of others is involved?
>
> You believe in America.
>
> --
> Edited by WestAir Forums at 11/30/2006 3:31 PM


Say What? I don't understand what you mean? Are you addressing me or someone else?
joyn49
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 6:33 PM
In the matter of civil suits,MOO is if a man is killed, the sole support of his family,etc.etc.,there may be a case for compensation that would be commesurate with what he would earn in a lifetime. That I think is what civil suits were intended for, but there was NO WAY this applied to the Goldman, Browns. Neither of these were the support of their family and this was intended as purely PUNITIVE measures. I disagree with that. I still am of the opinion , and always will be that if found not guilty in a criminal trial, the civil trial should not be allowed.This has nothing to do with just this case.
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 6:31 PM
So, you support buying your way out of punishment for crimes, especially serious crimes? You believe that having a title in society; a name; should get you off the hook, even when the death of others is involved?

You believe in America.

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Edited by WestAir Forums at 11/30/2006 3:31 PM
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 6:27 PM
Cami, apparently Mr Wagner interviewed Shively(there are the interviews on the site) and she said OJ stuck his arm out the window, she could very clearly see him in the intersection. He had on a short sleeve shirt and no blood. She had a good enoufgh look to see his license plate and repeated it. She was familiar with Cowlings and OJ and at first thought it was AL because they drive the same car. I know you thik he's guilty, but this site is very interesting in the way of timelines, technical aspects. This gentleman was an engineer.

I do appreciate that you understand that NONE of my posts on ANY subject have any anger, just discussion.:)
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 3:46 PM
I was raped 20+ years ago and the attacker was never convicted. I was never filled with hatred or vengence. In order to have peace in your own life, you have to forgive (as crazy as that sounds) in order to move forward and have a fulfilling life. Many victims of crime waste their lives hating others and seeking revenge from the families of those who hurt them. It makes no sense and it never solves the problem. Money will never take away what a rapist takes from you. Never. I never dreamed of suing anyone for what happened to me. It changes nothing. I imagine many familiess sue out of the pain they feel from guilt for not having the relationships with their loved ones that they realize they should have had.

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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 12:24 PM
Cami,

I see your point but in defense of Wilma and myself, I have to disagree. I see a lot of anger coming from Joy in her posts re the Goldman's - such as she read they have not talked in years (Ron and his father). Their son is dead; he was brutally murdered and I take exception to that remark. The only reason I can see someone making it is out of anger or to get a rise out of people or just plain ignorance. Joy professes to want facts to back things up and yet she posts that remark. It was unfair to the Goldman's who lost their son. I had to address it and I did.

I have to disagree about the civil suits also. If a man is killed by a drunk driver and he is the sole support of his family and he leaves a wife and three children with nothing but a house and a mortgage, the driver's estate should be sued and rightly so. Why should the family suffer because a drunk driver decided to ignore what is right and get blindly in the car and kill someone. The children have a right to a life their father would give them. Just my opinion.

But I appreciate your posts and thanks.
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 11:40 AM
> > Okay, that was quite rude & I apologise.
> > You are all over the map though, Joy.
> > All over the map.
>
>
> No need to apologise(especially when you don't
> on't mean it) I thought that was one of your more
> eloquent posts. When you're not up to the challenge
> of some contradictory facts to what you believe,why
> investigate?
>
> One of the facts is that Shively saw Simpson on
> on on Bundy, he had on a short sleeve shirt, within
> minutes of supposedly slaughtering two people and
> guess what, NO BLOOD! Read up!

How could she see short sleves and no blood when OJ was driving the Bronco? She only saw him for a few seconds, enough to recognize him and he almost collided with her in that intersection so she would have been rattled. She's lying.

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cami2
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 11:26 AM
> > Sister please :) This is certainly no attempt at
> > resolve from OJ Simpleton. The man is a proven
> > narcissist. People with that personality "need"
> to
> > be in the lime light and get a high from
> glorifying
> > their deeds.
> >
> > During a discussion on the O’Reily Report the
> other
> > night, Bill O'Reily interviewed OJ's new and
> former
> > attorneys because he wanted to ask his new
> attorney
> > if why he would represent a person like OJ who had
> > him tell the public and media that he would never
> > write a book such as this only to find out
> Monday...
> > he's wrote a book like this. His new attorney
> said
> > he has a difficult time working with OJ because he
> > "has to control everything" and is "unmanageable".
> > The former attorney told the newer attorney that
> > based on his experience of OJ, he would be wise to
> > duck and run before OJ ruined his reputation
> because
> > he will only get worse.
> >
> > Classic narcissistic descriptions.
> >
> > What ultimately outrages me is that the Civil
> Trial
> > judgement against him was won by the Goldman's and
> > Browns awarding them some 30+ million dollars.
> >
> > If this dispicable book goes on sale, the judge
> needs
> > to order that every cent of the proceeds goes
> > directly to the victim's family to enforce that
> > ruling.
> > Otherwise the message is, not only that crime
> pays,
> > but that Civil cases are a waste of our justice
> > system.
>
>
> IMO civil trials shouldn't be held if the
> if the person was in a criminal trial and found NOT
> GUILTY. If I was OJ, I wouldn't pay either. Why
> should the Brown's and Goldman's make money from
> this? Nicole and Ron were not in any way going to
> make 30,000,000 in their life time. I've read other
> forums that said Ron hadn't SPOKEN to his father in
> something like 5 yrs. Ever read anything about
> William Wasz? Pretty interesting, was stalking Nicole
> on Kardashian's payroll in Jan. of the year she was
> killed.
>
> OJ was found NOT GUILTY!!!

It's not the money Joy. The Goldmans and Browns didn't ask for any money..they wanted a verdict, nothing more. They wanted a court to say OJ did it.

The whole country..well the world is outraged by the thought of this book. It's basically OJ's confession. He's basically thumbing his nose at your justice system and laughing. I slaughtered these two people and now I am going to make a bundle from it. I think I can understand the Goldman's fury. How can they ever get on with their lives when OJ's narcissim keeps him in the limelight. None of us here have had people we love brutally murdered in the manner Nicole and Ron were so how can we ever understand what they are going through.

Even though everything has been cancelled, he still made money...half the contract up front..standard.

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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 11:14 AM
> Joy, you are a very angry individual & from your
> history, that you freely posted, I agree with solace
> ... it is apparent that you are angry.

In defense of Joy...and it doesn't happen often, I don't feel anger or hatred coming across in her posts on this subject. You and Solace need to relax a bit. Joy is offering her opinion... the same as you are. That it differs from yours appears to be the point of bother, not her posts. I think OJ is guilty as sin and I disagree with Joy but I do also believe that Clarke and Darden did not prove their case. Too many mistakes made..especially with the gloves, Fuhrman, closing arguments, etc. Oh she can continue to point out alternate theories and websites, etc. and yes I won't research them either. OJ is the killer and no one else.
>
Why did your family members not attempt to go for a
> civil trial? This is everyone's right.

I also disagree with the Civil Trial. While I am glad that the jury found OJ liable, I disagree with them on principle. We don't have them in Canada...LOL, we don't need them with the Crown handing out compensation due to the cops malfeasance. Remember Guy-Paul Morin? David Milgaard? All those big judgements and trials at tax payers expense. It would be interesting to learn who actually pays the judgement assessed, I hardly think OJ is the only one.

> As far as alternate theories go in regard to the
> murders that oj committed - so what.
> There have been & always will be 'alternate theories'
> when someone is 'star struck', or blinded in the
> 'Land of Denial'.
> I'll be more than happy to give you mine.
> The Defense's biggest argument & propaganda, was how
> oj would be capable of killing both Nicole & Ron @
> the same time, right?
> oj was livid that he was not invited to his
> daughter's party. He showed up at his exwife's home
> to confront her.
> Abusive men are all about control & power.
> I venture to guess that Nicole answered her door &
> stepped outside to speak with him, in order to avoid
> startling the children.
> oj already had brought a knife in order to threaten
> the mother of his children, simply to re-take control
> of her.
> That is when he realized that he had lost that power
> for good - she shunned him ... 'blew him off'.
> She turned her back on him to re-enter the house & he
> couldn't take it. He is so egocentric that he
> attacked her & while he was killing her along came
> Ron Goldman. This young man probably was shocked &
> yet tried to stop the monster - your buddy oj. That
> is when oj turned the knife on Ron.
>
> Sure ... found "not guilty" does NOT equate INNOCENT.
>
> --
> Edited by wilma50 at 11/29/2006 3:15 PM



Not in the court of public opinion Wilma, but in a court of law it does. We had a furious discussion about this a couple of years ago while the Peterson trial was ongoing and most of the posters here (not me, BTW) believed that once found Not Guilty..it equates to Innocence. I prefer to believe it was a case of the jury believing the prosecution did not prove it's case. The OJ jury, IMO, was not intelligent enough to even understand the evidence.

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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 11:04 AM
> Hey Joy, the video tape of Lorene's Batmitzvah gives
> that rumour the lie it deserves. Ron and Fred front
> and centre, miming a Bob Seger tune with air guitars.
> ( I think it was Seger). Her Batmitzva was a year
> before the murders
>
> Why throw in something about a stalker? OJ was
> stalking Nicole too. Unless this stalker stole OJ's
> gloves, hat, Bruno Maglis, his Bronco and his blood,
> he's safe. Maybe this Wasz guy was OJ in disguise.
>
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> Edited by cami2 at 11/30/2006 7:56 AM

So Joy, what do you think?
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 10:56 AM
IMO civil trials shouldn't be held if the person was in a criminal trial and found NOT GUILTY. If I was OJ, I wouldn't pay either. Why should the Brown's and Goldman's make money from this? Nicole and Ron were not in any way going to make 30,000,000 in their life time. I've read other forums that said Ron hadn't SPOKEN to his father in something like 5 yrs. Ever read anything about William Wasz? Pretty interesting, was stalking Nicole on Kardashian's payroll in Jan. of the year she was killed.
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Hey Joy, the video tape of Lorene's Batmitzvah gives that rumour the lie it deserves. Ron and Fred front and centre, miming a Bob Seger tune with air guitars. ( I think it was Seger). Her Batmitzva was a year before the murders

Why throw in something about a stalker? OJ was stalking Nicole too. Unless this stalker stole OJ's gloves, hat, Bruno Maglis, his Bronco and his blood, he's safe. Maybe this Wasz guy was OJ in disguise.

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solace
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 30, 2006 9:58 AM
> > Okay, that was quite rude & I apologise.
> > You are all over the map though, Joy.
> > All over the map.
>
>
> No need to apologise(especially when you don't
> on't mean it) I thought that was one of your more
> eloquent posts. When you're not up to the challenge
> of some contradictory facts to what you believe,why
> investigate?
>
> One of the facts is that Shively saw Simpson on
> on on Bundy, he had on a short sleeve shirt, within
> minutes of supposedly slaughtering two people and
> guess what, NO BLOOD! Read up!

Did Shevely also see Patsy Ramsey with OJ while all this was going on?
joyn49
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 29, 2006 9:45 PM
> Okay, that was quite rude & I apologise.
> You are all over the map though, Joy.
> All over the map.


No need to apologise(especially when you don't mean it) I thought that was one of your more eloquent posts. When you're not up to the challenge of some contradictory facts to what you believe,why investigate?

One of the facts is that Shively saw Simpson on Bundy, he had on a short sleeve shirt, within minutes of supposedly slaughtering two people and guess what, NO BLOOD! Read up!
wilma50
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Re: Speaking of OJ Simpson: Why I Support the Verdict

Nov 29, 2006 7:52 PM
Okay, that was quite rude & I apologise.
You are all over the map though, Joy.
All over the map.
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