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Jannie
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Sep 8, 2003 1:47 PM
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I've found many varying prices for the DVD. It's good to hear that the DVD version is so much better than the botched A&E presentation. I'll the DVD to my list of James Purefoy musthaves...
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alisay
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Sep 7, 2003 10:28 AM
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I watched the DVD version of Mayor of Casterbridge last night. And, my goodness, is it better than the butchered wreck A&E aired! There is a lot more development. It is much more cohesive piece than the A&E aired version would suggest. I'm not saying its the greatest literary adaptation ever, and there are still isssues I wish had been better developed, but, unlike what I saw on A&E, I can really say that I enjoyed watching this. Its a great story and well done by the cast. Perhaps that's A&Es motivation for airing chopped up movies. It forces people to buy their DVDs to get the real movie.  Not that I mind buying the DVD, but I think it does a disservice to the filmmakers and actors to air something that so doesn't properly represent the work they have done.
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charlesaugustus
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Sep 3, 2003 5:11 PM
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Recently, we watched your production of The Mayor of Casterbridge. As you say on your site, it is a classic story. Thereby, we looked forward to what was supposed to be a good rendition with a good cast. Well, it is hard to say whether it was good or not; that is, the program was so butchered that it went beyond irritating to sad and, then, finally, to funny. Your channel was, as with Bravo, begun to bring to your audience exactly what is in your title, arts and entertainment. The implication is that this was to be done with class and integrity. What you have done with your channel, however, has little integrity, but, worse, when you actually present a program with class, something of actual art, that you then ruin it is, unhappily, disgusting. We presume you butchered -- there is no other word for it -- The Mayor in order to fit in a ridiculous number of advertisements. Yes, we understand that you have to pay the bills. However, if, in order to do so, you must ruin your programming, why bother with worthy programs at all? Perhaps you no longer care to have your "arts" audience, the audience that is interested in such programming as The Mayor. If so, you are doing everything right to get rid of us, for the likelihood of our tuning in again falls with each insult. Already wary, we are now looking to desert. Thank you for your time.
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pandora
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Re: Bad presentation of a good movie
Aug 28, 2003 6:27 AM
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I'm afraid I have to agree.  This appeared to be a good movie, but it was hard to tell when they did such a butchering job, editing-wise. Come on A&E, couldn't you spare just one more hour out of your schedule to show us this movie more as it was intended? Did you think the audience wouldn't notice? I realize that nips and tucks must be taken, but this was major surgery and I don't think it benefitted anyone. Not the filmmakers, not the audience, and not even the sponsors (not when people are switching the channel and tuning out.) I'm not ready to give up on A&E yet, but please, please reconsider your editing practices.
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Mozart
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 23, 2003 8:36 PM
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I second your generous praise for this version! I find it extremely well done. I agree that no one could play the role of Michal Henchard better than Ciaran Hinds! To me, Hinds portrays Henchard as a repressed man who knows he is his own worst enemy. I see the regret and anguish at play behind Henchard's indifferent exterior. His Henchard seems incapable of expressing affection or his true emotions to his nearest and dearest, and this failing proves his undoing. I find the actress playing his (step) daughter equally fine. Her nuanced performance expresses sensitivity, shyness,inhibitions, and an almost equal inability to express her true emotions. Marti My Home Page (for Mozart fans): http://hometown.aol.com/martibur/
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dot ladner
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 23, 2003 6:54 PM
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Dottie Ladner I have nothing but praise for The Mayor. I thought the cast was well chosen and I don't know anybody who could have played the part of the Mayor as well as Mr. Hinds
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SlamDuncan
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Re: Bad presentation of a good movie
Aug 23, 2003 3:59 PM
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This production seemed very promising but it seemed like a very badly edited version. It ruined it for us. It seemed like large sections were cut out and suddenly important plot points were different. This was very annoying along with the bizarre cuts to commercials at inopportune moments. I am very disappointed and will think twice before I watch a movie on A&E again. Duncan Parlett
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HearthCricket
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 23, 2003 3:22 PM
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Spoiler!! Lucetta goes into shock over the skimmity ride, has a miscarriage and passes away. Yes, they only touched on it briefly, in this version. Let us hope more is in the DVD, which contains over an hour more footage than A&E chose to air. Unbelievable.
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springhillmum
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 23, 2003 1:50 PM
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Perhaps I left the room, but I missed Lucretia's departure from the story. What happened to her? Did she die or did Donald divorce her?
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HearthCricket
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 20, 2003 2:53 PM
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I have the Alan Bates version, which is very complete and accurate to the book. But visually is lacking, as it was done in 1978. It is certainly the definitive version. But, I am also getting the A&E version, because I want to see this clearly, without the commercial interruptions and I want to see all those extra minutes they chopped off! My order is already placed and they won't be able to send it soon enough for me! I plan to give it another chance!
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cindym
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 20, 2003 1:58 PM
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Okay, from what you all are saying, (just in case I flub up my second attempt to tape this broadcast when it airs again Friday) is that I should not rush to buy the DVD, it isn't all that great, etc.? I'm a Ciaran Hinds fan and am really looking forward to seeing this but man, I hate to spend the money on the DVD, (uh, also seeing as how I'd have to buy a DVD player in the first place). Oh well... I'll hopefully catch Friday night's airing and see how it goes. I used to be an Alan Bates fan years ago, maybe I'll track that version down and watch it. "For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come" - Hebrews 13:14, KJB
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alisay
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Before we're too critical
Aug 19, 2003 11:25 PM
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Before we say too many nasty things about what's missing from this production of Mayor of Casterbrige, let's keep in mind that this *IS* a two-part movie. A&E chose not to show all of it and cut out probably about 25% of it. If you look at the DVD entry, it shows its length as '200+ minutes,' which--given that A&E aired it in a 180 minute time slot with LOADS of commercials--means that there is quite a bit more to this than was aired. There was an article I read the week before it aired which said that an hour was cut from the production. It may turn out that there are still lots of things we don't like, but for now maybe we should reserve judgment, specifically as relating to the issue of what is or isn't included in the film and/or its feeling disjointed.
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foxgloves
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 18, 2003 10:17 AM
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I to think they left out to much. I would have like more in the beginning. I think they went to fast from the baby to a adult. I would have like to seen more. I thing they should have done it in two parts. Another hour would have been nice.
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Madeline5
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Very compressed and cut by commercials
Aug 18, 2003 7:55 AM
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I'd like to see it without commercials. You could tell that scenes were cut for commercials, and then picked up when the story returned. A good example was when Farfrae began to sing at the 3 Mariners, he opened his mouth got out about two notes and---CUT! And so many other scenes. That's so rude! So, for me, that disturbed the flow and continuity. I think they got just about all the essential plot points in. But it seemed so compressed, lacking that expansive flow of movement in Hardy's work. For example...the morning after Henchard sold Susanna, he wakes up drunk and then begins to search for his wife and child. Then he finds out he's sold them to the sailor. It's the handling of time with Hardy, that builds the intensity of the characters' movements and choices and melds it in a cohesive movement...In this film, cut as it was, it missed this evolution of time. "The Mayor" is a large story that spans over time and it demanded more time, like the 1970's BBC version with Bates was about 5 hours. It needed the buildup of the mayor's rise, his friendship with Farfrae and then his fall, the arc in his character from SOB to somewhat decent man at the end. Time. I'd say the actors did a pretty good job. Hinds' Henchard was well played--though it was sometimes difficult to discern some of his words with the thick accent. Jodhi May did seem wooden. I guess I didn't really feel connected to any of the characters though. I wish they had played up the dyanmics about how Henchard KNEW EJ wasn't his daughter, and treated her very harshly for a long time. That makes his warming up to her, feeling fondness for her, and then losing her to her real father...all the more powerful. But overall, I'd say they did pretty good with the plot...though it felt SOOO compressed. Wouldn't you agree? Hardy's novels don't rely soley on plot...but so many other things, like tone, movement...atmosphere. The music score was good. "My God, it's full of stars!"
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HearthCricket
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Re: Critique of this movie version
Aug 18, 2003 7:49 AM
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I, too, was looking foward to this version. What a wonderful cast. Yet, I felt like none of them were used to their best abilities. They are all so much better than this. The production was very choppy, way too many commercials breaking it up, sometimes in the middle of a conversation or background music cut short. We watched it for 3 hours, with loads of commercials, but the DVD is supposed to be 200 minutes long. Let us hope it redeems the show. All the actors just seemed to be going through the motions to get it done. Sadly dull, in comparison to what I expected, with only a few fantastic moments. I would love to take that same cast and remake it, again, and really get some fantastic acting going. They were stifled. I will stick to the older 6 hours version which recently came out on DVD. Now I see why it was shown in summer and not during the competitive season. Sorry, A&E. I love your works, but this was not one of your greater ones. 
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