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Love for Everyone - I am not sure you realize this or not, but Civil Unions are NOT legal and recognized many places here in the US. And the few places where it is, if you go back home to another jurisdiction, it is not recognized. So, to answer your question, No- it is not the same as being married in the eyes of the law. 10-Chan - I agree with you in regards to the people leaving churches because a priest, rabbi, or medicine man won't marry them because it is in violation of that denominations beliefs. I totally agree that as a gay person, that I have no right to force my beliefs on others the same way they do not have the right to force thier views on me. I for one really don't care to get married in the eyes of any god, I only want the law to recognize it. Love for Everyone, please quote scripture and verse where it says that God did not or would not recognize a marriage between a same sex couple. Trust me, look hard. You won't find it. I have studied the bible (NIV, King James, and Greek) - regardless of the translation or the edition, there is no place in the bible that straight out says No to same-sex marriage. Just because the bible doesn't talk about television or cellphones doesn't mean that we can't use them or that they don't exist. It was not an issue because it was not something that was needed to be talked about in relationship to the "stories" that are contained in the bible. Regardless, the United States has the whole "seperation of Church and State" therefore; it should not matter at all what the bible says when it comes to matters of the law. The same way that the government cannot stop or interfere with you religious ceremonies or practices, likewise, your religion has no place stopping ot interfering with matters of the law. Imagine how you would feel if it was outlawed for you to practice your religion because some politician said it was against his beliefs that you should be allowed to do so. What would that make the US? Nazi Germany comes to mind. That is why the whole argument against marriage based on ANY religious reference is null and void. There is no place for any religion in the law when it comes to matters of social equality. There is just no reason for it to 1, it is a direct violation of the bill of rights, delcaration of independence, and constitution to do so... so why do people think that they can even use it as an argument. Who is to say that your God even exists in the first place? Who is to say that the whole bible wasn't written by a bunch of psychotic drunks trying to scam people out of money? There isn't. So, seriously - if anyone has an argument that is not based on some religious reference, I would love to discuss it, other than that, I will just continue to sit back and laugh at the people who are using their religious documentation to argue the point of gay marriage.

Hey,

I am just one person giving a view of what I know from the Bible.

There are legal unions all over called other things besides marriage ordained by Jehovah God ( The Jewish, Christian God.)

My point being Gays have a civil union that joins them together. According to the Bible I read, God doesn't ordain marriages between the same sex. Wither you use the Word Civil Union or Marriage?

The word Marriage through out History is a type of union that was ordained by Jehovah God which is the God the Christians believe and Worship and this union is between a man and a women.

The complaint is the Gays want a right to marry. Isn't this the same thing as a Civil Union that they already have in courts now?

The Christian God Jehovah did not create Man for man but he created woman for man and that was the holy Union. I believe any man joined with a woman has entered in to an ordained marriage of legal acceptance. And if they are Christians then it is a God accepted Marriage as well.

No I don't play golf with God on the weekends and No I don't think Jehovah God is Santa. No need to belittle people on any Blog.

I am not as fanatical as to kill and abuse those that don't believe in the same God as me. I still have the right to let you know what I know about the Bible and the God I worship. I also realize you have the right to not listen and not read my blogs. But thanks for taking the time to read them if you do.

I am grateful for your time and even though some of you don't believe the same way as I, just know that God created us with a CHOICE. Being Gay is a Choice I believe very firmly that this is not something you are born to do and do not believe it is a type of race or minority. It is an action and a choice.
Choose wisely and
Yall have a good year next year.

You are correct 10-chan. I will admit to being guilty of the big blog blocks myself.. sometimes it is too hard to stop typing when you are trying to get everything you want to say out of your head while it is still fresh on your mind.

Hello. If you read my information I emailed to this board it is not a belief that God is a Santa Clause. Santa is a personification of someone that loved children and did nice things for people in historical times this tradition carried forward to today. God however goes back to our Origin of who we are and how we were created by him. My definition of God and yours are very different and seeing as I have been relating Scripture from a Bible, a tried and true inspired word fron God through the miraculous direction of the Holy Spirit that was given to Jesus's Apostles and Patriarchs in the Old Testament and Your definition of God is something you may have decided in your heart what your God does then I would suggest you refer to scripture which mentions that their will be Consequences not just in this life but also in the life after. Yes I am referring to Heaven and Hell which I know this is going to really get some folks started. But My God and my bible that I live by or try to as much as I can are not the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. My God is not fictional to me and neither is his word and niether is my Jesus. And of coarse we all know that Jesus is the Reason for the Christmas Season. The Celebration of a Miraculous Savior for those that accept his grace and choose to go and sin no more. I put Jesus on in baptism when I was 10 years old and sinned Grossly after that. Shamefully I might say. However God knows my heart and he knows how terribly sorry I was for doing things that were not meant for me to do as a Christian. I know he has forgiven me, His word tells me that if I repent and turn away from the Sin then he will forgive. If you have ever known what it is like for someone to forgive you it is something that can truly change your life and I pray everyone can obtain this feeling of forgiveness. Everyone. Love for Everyone. Especially forgiveness from God. That is an Awesome forgivness. One that Transcends time and space. A forgiveness that last for an eternity. God Bless and HO HO HO>
Two differnt ideas and My God is not Santa Claus.

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Edited by Love for Everyone at 12/13/2006 1:17 PM

Praetorian , The word Marriage is what the hang up is.
God ordained that word Marriage in the Bible and Historically that is the only word that has ever described a union between one man and one woman. If you don't want your Union to be one of God and it goes against God's will to have a gay and lesbian life style then just pick another word for the Union. I think that is what has so many people up in arms. Historically and biblically the word Marriage of one husband and one wife to each other in HOLY MATRIMONY is what is depicted. So just pick another word that isn't referring to your union being of GOD. It isn't God that will ordain your unions to each other. It is yourselves and the Government of the Land. It is not a Holy Union ordained by God. I am not making this idea up and just because I am repeating scripture doesn't mean that I am judging and preaching does it? Ofcoarse I do live in a country of FREE SPEECH. Oh and the comment of being ashamed that I am from Alabama from another person on the discussion Board. Well. It's o.k. you don't have to be ashamed anymore because originally I started out in Tennessee and have dwelt in other states besides Alabama. I bear my heart and what do I get, but Smacked down. I say pick unions that are not scriptural and call them by other names besides marriage. Life is choice. So Choose and then in the last days we will see what happens. I am clinging to a faith and MY GOD that I want to lovingly share with others but there is no room for bearing of heart, soul and scripture to many of this Discussion board.
Have a Merry Christmas OR NOT. It is your CHOICE.
For me I chose to have a MERRY ONE and celebrate my savior and hopefully one day each of you will come to know Christ and the true blessing he can bring in your life. I am not Sorry that I gave you information of Scriptures. Being Gay is a choice it is not a born thing that you have to act upon. It is a choice to act upon those urges of being together sexually with the same sex. It is a CHOICE. Just like for habitual liars and habitual drinkers and what have you. We are all born into sin and all have to overcome urges that are sinful. Quit trying to portray Homosexuality as a different RACE and Minority. Was I born into Christianity. Us Christians are we a race, a Minority?
It was a CHOICE. It is a Life STYLE CHOICE. Just like your ACTING on vial affections man for man and women for women. Several Places in Old and New testament speak against this action. No it does not come up with the word Homosexual, we just created for it in the 21st century but the ACTIONS of the word are mentioned as a sin all through the scriptures. And it wasn't something new that people just started acting on in the 21st century. It happened all through time. It is a CHOICE. They chose back then to do it and they are choosing now to do it. And we have this great new word for it now and we want it to be this way and everyone else such as Christians that are trying to uphold morals and the word of God are the main ones getting Smacked down on this Discussion board. So I will leave each of you that disagree with me with this, It is our choice to disagree with each other but I am a Christian and believe it or not most of the Fore Fathers wanted freedom OF RELIGION not FREEDOM FROM it in America. I know we have other countries represented here on these boards. They also probably have a terrible opinion of America and the subversive, Vial, blood thirsty views that are portrayed about Americans through movies and the media. I am just one American but let me say to these countries represented that NOT ALL of us are like this. Some people want to stand up for Goodness and honesty and help others that can't help themselves.
I truly Love each of you even though I have not met you and I truly love each of you with the love of God. The Agoppa Love. The love for all that God has for each of us. We have not all been brought up with an upbringing of the word of God. And sometimes those that have have been hurt by someone that claimed to be a Christian but did not act like one to them at that time have such Bitterness for All Christians. And many doubt the validity of the Bible But I am here to tell you it has transcended thousands of years. More people believe in it than those that don't. It says even the Devil believes in God and Trembles. It has changed peoples lives and it is the greatest story of truth and love for humanity ever told and I have the utmost respect for the Bible and it's principals. Throughout the bible it mentions that people would fall away from God. The people of Israel. It would tell how God yearned for them to repent and come back to him and he would allow the children of Israel to fall under the rule of other countries/Nations until they repented of their sins and came back to Jehovah God. He didn't want this to happen but he has said in his word that he will not be a part of such blatant sin that they chose to partake in. There I go preaching again. Oh well. I come by it naturally my mother did it to me for years It is what I was possibly BORN to do. It is an URGE that I keep giving into. It is a CHOICE to do. Now I am Chosing to relinquish to the Board for judgment. Lie not to lie? (Choice or not) (Have sex with someone of your own sexual Gender or not?)(Be a Christian or not?) Be Black?
Be White? Be Hispanic? Be German? Be French? Be GAY?
Sorry but Being Gay is an action. It is a Life style. It is not a minority just like Christianty is a Life style. Christianity is a choice just like being a homosexual is. It's a CHOICE. AN ACTION. How you choose for people to look at you. Bible Thumping or Poking in Holes with your own sex that God did not create for this use. It's a CHOICE. Urges are not a minority and Urges and LUST for one another is not anything other than a LIFE STYLE CHOICE.
Thanks for your time and pass the offering plate cause I need to pay some bills.

Exactly, none of us really care if "God" or "Church" recognizes our marriages.... we just want it to be legal in the eyes of the law! Is that the misunderstanding that everyone is having? Geez! Who cares if we get married in a church, heck - most of us are way more creative than to get married in a traditional method such as a church anyways... I just want the legal recognition.

I will leave you with one thought if Adulter's decided that they wanted to come out of the Closet and that they wanted to promote their sin to everyone as being natural and good and right, or if Liars wanted to say it's o.k. to lie in the name of love and the stealers wanted to say it's o.k. to steal in the name of love and the Fornicators said it's o.k. to make love to anyone and everyone and promoted it and they stepped up holding a sign about it than I am sure they would be told to sit down too by all those that know the bible that are trying to live the way Christ lived. Christ was angry and sinned not when he over turned the money changers in the temple. ( Alot of these sins about are private sins. Some are sins committed in the heart.) No one is codeming a man that loves a man or a woman that loves a woman but people don't want to hear about making it legal by God for this union. That would be like asking God to bless an adulterous marriage which this county is doing all the time anyway. So frankly what's the difference? There is none. I think we all need to shut up and sit down and look to God on things and start living in our hearts the way God WANTS us too.

The difference being that we aren't asking God to bless our marriages but asking the government to give us the same level of respect and consideration due to any heterosexual couple.

The Liars, Adulterators, Fornicators and Stealers that you mentioned are criminals or immoral. Marriage is about becoming a pair and working together to make a happy life and family. The other four groups are not building anything but tearing things down (although Fornicators might not always be harming anything) and/or not contributing to a better society or future. And yet, if they are heterosexual, they have more rights in their marriages than homosexuals do.