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jimbo9
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Jan 31, 2007 7:52 PM
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Equal rights for African-Americans would NEVER have been approved by the majority of voters in the 60s, but now most everyone agrees that all men and women deserve equal rights. Why do equal right for gays have to be subject to the approval of the majority of voters? Equal rights should not be something the majority of approves of. All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of majority opinion. And the courts have ruled that marriage is a basic human right. Why do we have to have this debate?
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xoshaneLLexo
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 29, 2006 4:31 PM
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praetorian412 I completely agree. I couldn't have said it better myself. The reason why this issue is being "shoved down peoples throats" is because it is a MAJOR issue. It has been going on for a LONG time whether gay marriage should be made legal. Personally I believe it should, everyone is entitled to be happy whether they are gay or not. It is extremely unfair that people who are gay are being treated differently, they aren't any different at all, they just happen to be attracted to the same gender. It is like praetorian412 said imagine you and your partner..the one you shared the good and the bad times with and the one you leaned on for support were hated and not accepted by society because of your sexual orientation, because of who you loved and for being "different"....not very fair is it? If I was Shel Grandy I would have done the same thing whether I was gay or not because people deserve the right marry the one they love and to be happy. Personally I am very proud of John Stamos for taking on this role, it is an extremely important role and a movie with a very important message.
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jflee823
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 23, 2006 1:58 AM
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It would take forever to read all these, which I can't believe anyone has the time to do as there are so many things going on with Holidays. If I could, I'd reply to a lot of these comments, but I just don't see how it would help my life or anyone elses in any way. However, I did feel it necessary to comment on the one post where someone said that all "heterosexuals should be put on a deserted island and blown up", that's harsh...it's sad that anyone thinks someone should die for having a different opinion or belief and I certainly do not feel like homosexuals should die, that is such a horrible thing for people to say! At the time that I started this post I was just letting my feelings flow out and I probably shouldn't have done that, as I have said before I do feel that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions, I don't agree with some of them, but I most certainly don't feel like people should be FORCED to change their ways....that's what's so great about America, freedom. I have my opinion, other people have theirs. At this time, I'd like to say, to all people who view this, whether they're black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, male, homosexual, heterosexual....or any other race, color, nationality, or sexual orientation....I hope you all have Happy Holidays and that you will be blessed with joy and warmth at this very wonderful time of year!
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Heavengoing
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 22, 2006 11:08 PM
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> Everyone... I think this will put everything that > Heavensgoing has said into perspective. I invite you > all to read a post that he/she made on the > Intervention board. Here is the link to check it out > yourself. > http://boards.aetv.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800002840& > start=15 > > Here is the quote that Heavensgoing made: > "I know a bout Prozac and Zoloft and Lexapro. I have > tried all three. Lexapro works for me. Zoloft gave me > a low-grade fever all the time. Prozac is more > expensive. Valium is very addictive." > > It appears that besides spouting off his/her > religious propoganda, he/she is doing so under the > influence of mind-altering medication. I bet if > he/she didn't get so bent out of shape about the > marriage of two concenting adults, maybe he/she could > back off the perscriptions. Well, Well, you have something else to gripe about don't you.You know nothing about me and yet you take out of text something I was writing to someone else about. You don't even know what I was talking about. Have fun and HAVE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. Oh remember what Christmas is all about. CHRIST'S BIRTHDAY.
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footdoc
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 22, 2006 11:57 AM
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I like your points idonmatrix. I like when people can make it very simple and you did. You never saw it as wrong and too you, it's not. That is how it should be. It's all these people making it much more complicated than it is that have a problem with homosexuality. On a simple level, it's two people loving each other and spending their lives together. But then you have these religious people who drag the Bible into it and show that the Bible says "laying with a man as you would a woman" is a sin. The Bible says it like, five whole times. They make homosexuality this problem, this disease that can be cured. But that's just not true. There is nothing wrong with being gay. You should love who you feel comfortable loving. And one more point about the religious thing. How come the religious people aren't out there preaching against all the other things they see as sins? Just things having to do with sex. Why are they so preoccupied with sex?
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idonmatrix
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 16, 2006 4:16 PM
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Someone mentioned that people become gay because they were molested. Most people who molest children (about 95%) indicate that their sexual orientation is heterosexual. If I had a choice of leaving my child with a gay or straight couple, I'd choose the gay couple everytime. Much, much safer. I had an uncle who was married to his partner for 25 years. When they "divorced" in the 1960s, everyone in the family was devastated. I was born in the 50's. I grew up in a Christian home and didn't realize that there was any difference between gay and straight relationships. The big deal for my family was stable versus unstable relationships. The gender of the partners didn't matter. My best friend's parent divorced when she was 10 and her father "married" his true love, a man. They were so perfect together. I just loved the love. Never even occurred to me that there was anything wrong. Hell, they were two adults in a loving relationships. I always considered gay relationships normal. When I was in my 30s I learned about homophobia and that people were actually killing other people because of their sexual orientation. That's crazy, sick, totally bizarre. I want society to get to the place where two consenting adults can fall in love and marry if they choose to. I loved Wedding Wars because it demonstrated that love is love and it's beautiful no matter what genders are involved. Just a little pet peeve of mind: I am so tired of the hetero-love bump and grind we are being served on TV shows and movies. It's boring and oh so painful to watch. I loved the tenderness that the writers used to express the love between Shel and Ted. My favorite scene is the when Ted sends food, and then later when he stops by with a pillow, blanket, and change of clothes for Shel. Geez!! that was powerfully sweet. I also loved their physical expressions of love. Beautifully done. So for me, I want more gay love stories. It feels more like romance to me. Oh for those viewers (mostly women) who feel rejected because John Stamos is playing a CHARACTER in love with a man, too bad. I find the man soooo!! sexy and the best eyecandy I've seen in awhile. They can put him opposite a man or woman and I'm still gonna watch him because the man is total eyecandy.
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vitalas
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 15, 2006 2:36 PM
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I HAD TO LAUGH WHEN I READ YOUR POST... my husband and i come from different religions and because of that we decided not to get married in the church or any church... and i could never have been happier. mind you it made my mother in law so mad .... that i was happy and it made my parents happy that i was getting married i agree the holyness of marriage should be left up to the church and the individual but when you come down to it it's just a legal document with the government that counts.
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vitalas
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 15, 2006 2:27 PM
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i wholeheartedly agree with you who are we to judge someone who wants to get married? i really thing that if you love someone and you aren't hurting them then they should be able to be united in marriage . who cares what the world thinks of them it they who have to look at them selves and if they are happy then what the hell let them go on doing what they are doing. AND i have a question to all the "homosexual" men and women out there .... Do you want to get married? everyone is talking about it but i haven't seen a post that says i'm gay and i wanna get married... so do you? and if you do, do you really care what us "hetrosexuals" really think? personally i think it's a shame that a bunch of people...humans are being bullied and told what to do and who they can and cannot marry. i'm not that old yet and i remember when people made a big deal over interacial marriage and all i could think was why ? if they love eachother then why does it matter what anyone else thinks. i hope that someday all humans will just get over themselves and realize that there are different races , different sexualitys and just plain different people out there. and EVERY ONE DESERVES LOVE .
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praetorian412
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 14, 2006 10:31 AM
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Does anyone watch Oprah? Her designer Nate is quite open about his relationship and loss of his partner Fernando during the Tsunami. You would think for the amount of views that she has that people whould see his pain, relate, and understand.
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dancerboy89
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 14, 2006 10:24 AM
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To quote Hetero Canadian Chick: >My fave gay t.v. personality is Clinton from TLC's >What Not To Wear. Anywho, I was just wondering what people >think of him versus what people think of Carson from Queer >Eye for the Straight Guy. Personally, I can't stand Carson! >He totally gets on my nerves! Lol. Hetero Canadian Chick, Clinton is married to Stacy, the other stylist on that show. He isn't gay. lol. But thank you for your support in our fight!
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footdoc
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 13, 2006 8:58 AM
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Oh and another point, I know people that were sexually abused and they are NOT gay. Being sexually abused is not what makes people gay. People are gay because they are born that way. When I was a child, we had a family friend that we was every summer at pool parties. They had a son, Jimmie, that was my age. At the age of eight (I didn't even know what gay was) I knew that something was different about Jimmie. He looked pretty all the time. He looked like a boy but for some reason I always thought he looked pretty. He talked a little funny and dressed really nice, etc. When I learned what gay was, it occured to me that Jimmie was gay. That was what was different about him. At the age of eight, Jimmie was a full-fledged homosexual. This was not learned behavior for him. His parents were not gay, they did not have gay friends and he felt the same way I did. He knew something was different about himself, just like I knew something was different about him. He never even had to come out to his parents because they just KNEW. If that's not being born gay, then I don't know what is.
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gregghm
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 13, 2006 2:02 AM
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Ladybug, first, according to the Bible, Jesus did NOT create animals as you stated. God did. And in reality, homosexuality is PERVASIVE in the animal world. The presence of same-sex sexual behavior in nature and the animal kingdom (and let's be factual: mankind is just an evolutionally-advanced, highly-intelligent species of animal)seems to give the lie to attempts by religio-fanatics of every stripe that homosexuality is "unnatural." It appears to be widespread among insects, birds and mammals, particularly the apes. Many male penguins that apparently mate for life have been observed in homosexual pairs but do pair with female couples when given the chance unlike previously thought. Approximately eight percent of [male] rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams). The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield. "There was a lot of hiding of what was going on, I think, because people were maybe afraid that they would get into trouble by talking about it," notes prominent zoologist, Frans de Waal. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's hard not make comparisons between humans and other animals, especially primates. The fact that homosexuality does, after all, exist in the natural world is proof that people who insist homosexual relationships are unnatural are uninformed, MISinformed or just plain old, everyday bigoted. > Read 1st Corinthians 6:9&10. I am a christian lady > married to a christian man. Jesus states clearly in > the bible about what sin is and what will happen. He > also created animals & they are not homosexuals. I > am not going to debate this anymore because you all > would not listen anyway. It is up to God Himself > because each one of us will stand before God one day > and be judged for what we have done for Him. He > e said it, I didn't. As for John Stamos, he needs > Jesus too.
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hetero_canadian_chick
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 12, 2006 11:41 PM
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 I am with the gays on this one. I'm straight and a Christian, but I know that gay people don't just wake up one morning, look out their bedroom windows and say "Gee, I think I'm going to be gay today. If I like it, I may even stay gay!". Come on! I know a couple gay people, one of whom is one of the assistant managers at my work and went to my high school, and the other is older and a family friend, and they are both super great guys! There was a stereotypical gay guy in my grade nine math class who would sit around and sing "It's Raining Men" and talk about how cute one of the football players was and even dressed up as a girl for Halloween and I do believe for his prom too...actually later I heard that he thought that he was transgendered. I am also starting to think that one of my guy friends could possibly be gay...my other friend is 100% sure that he's gay, but her reasons aren't good enough for me. I'm cool with how people choose to live their lives and who they choose to live with...although gay people don't choose to be gay, they do choose how to live their lives whether that means staying in the closet or being totally flamboyant and out their. My fave gay t.v. personality is Clinton from TLC's What Not To Wear. Anywho, I was just wondering what people think of him versus what people think of Carson from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Personally, I can't stand Carson! He totally gets on my nerves! -- The gays are turning me into a gay rights supporter! Ahhh! LOL!!! Watch "Wedding Wars"<---super funny and really makes you think!
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praetorian412
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 12, 2006 4:24 PM
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Great points toner!!!! I too am gay and was NEVER sexualy abused in any way, shape, or form. It is NOT A LEARNED BEHAVIOR... IT IS INSTICT. Just like our hearts just know to beat and our lungs just know to breath.. we just know about our sexuality. That's all there is to it. There is nothing that can turn a true heterosexual into a homosexual, and vice-versa.
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toner
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Re: Heterosexuals' Opinions
Dec 12, 2006 4:19 PM
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Are you kidding me with this?? "I am also a heterosexual and have a very close friendship with a homosexual. I do not think gays are bad, evil or any more sinful than the rest of us. I do believe it is deviant behavior and I believe that the lifestyle is a manifestation of some serious childhood issues...usually sexual abuse. I think it is a disservice to people to continue to push the homosexual lifestyle as normal. From an evolutionary viewpoint, it simply doesn't fit into a trait that could possibly be passed on genetically. Therefore, you must distinguish the homosexual attraction as learned behavior. I think it's a travesty to push it off as 'born that way' and not address the issues that contribute to the same-sex attraction. Some of these people need help. Is trying to normalize the behavior going to help them?" I am gay but I have not and never have been "sexually abused" as this person said is a "reason" for becoming or being gay. Unfricken believable. You don't learn to be gay. It's something inside you like any other feeling or want. Here is a thought that I heard once and made me think. What if and this is a pure hypothetical "what if" if the world was made of all gay/lesbian people and then some started to feel there were "straight". How would those people be viewed ro looked at??? We all have our thought, opinions and ideas as to what we think is "normal". But what is normal really?? You cannot be close friends with gay people and say they are good people and all that nice stuff then turn around behind their back and call them "deviant". You are being two faced in my mind. And are you really their friend or you just being nice to make yourself look good? And there is nothing about the movie that A&E did that was "shoving" anything down anyones throats. How would you feel being straight if you went to go somewhere and do something and you were denied because you were straight and it was only for gay people??
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