The Debate

First of all, to all those who think being gay is a choice, you are incorrect. Do those who believe being gay is a choice believe everything that someone from a pulpit tells you?

I knew I was gay before I persued the intimate side of a relationship. God wouldn't create anyone or anything to be condemned to damnation.

If people could meet couples who have been together for 10, 20, 30 years or more, they would find out that two gay people stay together for more than sex. My husband and I have been together for almost five years and our love has grown in the time we have been together. Our bond goes much futher than just they physical side.

As for gay marriage, I believe that gay people should have the same rights and their heterosexual counterparts. Way too many gay people who spend their lives with one person lose much more than their spouse once the spouse passes away. In many cases, the widows and widowers of gay spouses are left with nothing after building a life with someone they love more than anyone in the world. Widows and widowers lose their homes, savings, social security income, and many other things to people who have very little to do with the departed gay relative's life but believe they have the right to the dead relatives belongs. This leaves the widow or widower with nothing but a few momentos.

Those who believe GLBT people are amoral and hedonistic monsters have never taken the time to know a gay person and don't want to because they don't want to find out that they maybe a loving and God fearing person.

As for "Wedding Wars", I really enjoyed the movie. "Wedding Wars" showed the prospective of many gay people who want their relationships to be equal to all marriages.

Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality.
Please read:

In Genesis chapter 18 three angels sent from GOD visited Abraham.
Look at what they said -
Gen. 18:20-21
"And the Lord said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and because their SIN is very grave,
"I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me and if not I will know."

In Genesis 19 two of the angels come into the city.
Lot convinces them to stay the night with him.
This is what happens:

Genesis 19:4-11
4Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.” 6So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.” 9And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. 10But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. 11And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.

Notice in verse 5 the men of Sodom talking about the two angels who appeared to them as men said they wanted to know them carnally.

That word know means to have sex with.
Please notice this verse that uses the same word.
Gen. 4:1
Now Adam knew his wife Eve, and she conceived and bore Cain.

The word knew as used in both scriptures carries the definition of a sexual relationship.
If you want to argue with the plain definition of a word fine.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality as the verses clearly state.
Hospitality had nothing to do with it.

Hebrews 8:10-12 is a prophecy quoted by Jeremiah regarding the time when the Old Testament would be done away and the New Testament would come into effect.
This happened in Acts 2 when the first Gospel sermon of Jesus Christ was preached.

Under the old testament you were born into covenant relationship to GOD.
You were taught after you grew older.
Under the new testament a person must hear and obey the gospel to be in covenant relationship with GOD.

You are right that we need to listen to what GOD has written.
It doesn't matter what my opinion about HIS word is.
So when we read a plain statement in GOD'S word then we are to obey it.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 1:26-27
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

WHAT DOES IT SAY!!!!!!!!

10-chan - You are right about the separation of church and state. It was a provision that was originally introduced by Thomas Jefferson. Ironically, the same man that is credited by historians as an abolitionist, while at the same time owning his own slaves and even knocking one of them up (Sally Hemmins).

That's really a good point Chan. The last time I checked, we don't live in a theocracy.

Its interesting that this has become a debate about the Bible. For what its worth, the sin that Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed over was inhospitality. Lott's family was saved even though he offered his daughters to an angry mob (no longer an acceptable option by society), and later, his daughters seduced him. His wife was turned to stone for just looking back. The apostle Paul never met or spoke with Jesus, but is often quoted on social and moral issues, even though some of his views are in direct conflict with Jesus' attributed teachings. Finally, please read Hebrews 8:10-12. Basically, it says to stop telling other people what to believe, God has written His truth on everyone's heart. In other words: mind your own business, God doesn't need anyone to speak for Him.

Now, back to the real issue. Preserving the sanctity (holiness) of marriage should remain in the hands of the various churches. Most churches impose restrictions and refuse to bless unions based on their own religious tenets. It’s quite common, for instance, to deny couples who are not of the same faith. Not all marriages are performed by the clergy. Many licenses are legally recorded by judges, elected officials, notaries and others. The legal issues surrounding the marriage contract are the domain of the government. This includes over 1000 federal laws where the treatment differs between married people and single people in the United States. Many effect financial issues such as pensions, health benefits, taxes, shared responsibility for debts, disability benefits, and transfer of property between spouses. Others are more pragmatic, like joint parenting rights and obligations, adoption, confidentiality of marriage communications, next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions, funerals and bereavement leave. Why would anyone oppose extending the rights and obligations of legal marriage to any couple that in all other respects satisfies the requirements of establishing this contract?

What about "sodomy" between a man and a woman? Or even better, a man and his wife? Is that okay in the Bible? I know there are plenty of people that are married that committ this sin.

Choice? I wrote a whole entire topic on the matter... I suggest that anyone who thinks that it is a choice read my article.