the husband...

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Last Post Sep 15, 2006 9:19 AM by: cami
cami
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Re: Damon

Sep 15, 2006 9:19 AM
>
> I am not sure that Damon was crawling away from his
> mother. He could have been. I do think he was
> enroute when Darin showed up on the scene though and
> that is why Darin did not see him when he entered the
> fam room. That is assuming Darin told the truth
> about being upstairs when the crime occurred.
>
I am not sure he was either. I think he might have just been getting the heck out of dodge.
margiej
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Re: Damon

Sep 13, 2006 10:33 PM
I have my doubts about Darin. When listening to the 911 tape he appears so "out of the loop". His voice seems puzzled, that he does not know what the heck is going on. But on the other hand I have to ask myself, how can he NOT know. Certainly he knew after the fact. How could he not? As to whether he helped Darlie with the killing, I'm not willing to make that step. Sure he could have, may have even, but the evidence is just not there.

I thought she put the knife there after stabbing Damon a second time. But she was talking to the 911 operator when she stabbed him, possibly, and that would put her in the kitchen. Darin was downstairs by then. He is the one who said Darlie was in the kitchen talking on the phone. Unless he had his back turned to Darlie while she was stabbing Damon a second time, he saw it. Maybe he didn't hear it because of all the squealing she was doing but surely he saw it. Unless she stabbed Damon the second time while Darin was still upstairs. Sorry, it's been a while since I read the transcripts. I may have some of the facts confused.
Goody
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Damon

Sep 13, 2006 5:04 PM
> >
> >
> > I don't remember now if this came up at the trial
> or
> > not. Been on the respirator too many times since
> I
> > really studied this case. LOL. That thing is
> > murder on the memory. (Is that a lefthanded pun?)
>
> Your memory seems sharp enough. In fact it can
> probably cut glass. Wish mine was only half as sharp.
> LOL Welcome back.

Thanks for the well wishes, Margie. Ny doctor told me yesterday that I am a "miracle." He didn't expect to see me standing and walking again. But here I am thanks to all the prayers from my internet friends and family. So keep ol' Goody in mind because it works.


>I've enjoyed reading your posts
> tonight. Had forgotten some of the evidence, like
> little Damon falling against the sofa and then
> crawling away. Had forgotten about how Damon had
> waited until his mother was out of the room or
> preoccupied to make his crawl across the room. The
> significance that brings out! I gotta tell you Goody,
> that gives me chills...to think of that little boy
> trying to get away from his mother when she wasn't
> looking starts my tears flowing.

I am not sure that Damon was crawling away from his mother. He could have been. I do think he was enroute when Darin showed up on the scene though and that is why Darin did not see him when he entered the fam room. That is assuming Darin told the truth about being upstairs when the crime occurred.

There is another interesting detail. The knife laid on the counter, in the police photos, has the handle pointing to the family room, not the kitchen. She said she picked it up near the utility room door which is on the opposite side of the kitchen from the fam room. The handle should have been pointed toward the kitchen in that case. So was she in the family room when she put it up there? That area is near where Damon died. I think he was laying on the other side of the entry on the fam room side.

It has always sort of bugged that he didn't crawl toward his father. If Mom did this alone and Dad was an unsuspecting victim himself, why didn't Damon head for him for protection?
margiej
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Re: the husband...

Sep 13, 2006 5:59 AM
>
>
> I don't remember now if this came up at the trial or
> not. Been on the respirator too many times since I
> really studied this case. LOL. That thing is
> murder on the memory. (Is that a lefthanded pun?)

Your memory seems sharp enough. In fact it can probably cut glass. Wish mine was only half as sharp. LOL Welcome back. I've enjoyed reading your posts tonight. Had forgotten some of the evidence, like little Damon falling against the sofa and then crawling away. Had forgotten about how Damon had waited until his mother was out of the room or preoccupied to make his crawl across the room. The significance that brings out! I gotta tell you Goody, that gives me chills...to think of that little boy trying to get away from his mother when she wasn't looking starts my tears flowing.
Goody
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Re: the husband...

Sep 9, 2006 7:19 PM
> Thank for clearing up the confusion on the time
> frame. It's not an especially important detail but
> I'm glad to know my memory wasn't playing tricks on
> me.

Yes, thanks, Cami.

To Chad: Robbie Kee is Darlie's stepfather. Sorry for the error on the timeline for their claims. I don't know where I read the two day thing. Was a long time ago. Here's Robbie's aff: "I am married to Darlie Kee and my step-daughter is Darlie Lynn Routier. In approximately earlier Spring of 1996, Darin Routier was at my home and we were in the kitchen when he asked me whether I knew of anybody who would 'burglarize' his home so he could make an insurance claim. Darin Routier explained that he and his family would be gone from the house and that the 'burglar' would come to the house with a U-Haul truck and remove 'gobs' of stuff from the house and take the items somewhere. Darin Routier said he would retrieve the items after his insurance company paid off and that he would pay the 'burglar' out of the insurance proceeds."

I don't remember now if this came up at the trial or not. Been on the respirator too many times since I really studied this case. LOL. That thing is murder on the memory. (Is that a lefthanded pun?)
cami
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Re: the husband...

Jul 26, 2006 11:33 AM
> > Didn't Darin take a shower before going to the
> > hospital?
>
> No, Darin wiped blood from his face at a neighbours
> who loaned him a tshirt and then drove him to the
> hospital. Terry Neal was the neighbour. It's in his
> trial testimony.

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cami
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Re: the husband...

Jul 26, 2006 11:32 AM
> Didn't Darin take a shower before going to the
> hospital?

No, Darin wiped blood from his face at a neighbours who loaned him a tshirt and then drove him to the hospital. Terry Neal was the neighbour. It's in his trial testimony.
cami
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Re: the husband...

Jul 26, 2006 11:31 AM
> Didn't Darin take a shower before going to the
> hospital?

No, Darin wiped blood from his face at a neighbours who loaned him a tshirt and then drove him to the hospital. Terry Neal was the neighbour. It's in his trial testimony.
chadintex
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Re: the husband...

Jul 21, 2006 5:48 AM
> ..... they would be
> diligently trying to find who did this to their
> babies and working to help others. Which obviously,
> they are not.


Darlie can't help much. What evidence do you have that Darin isn't helping the best he can to find the real killer?


Doesn't this logic cross your mind at all? What more can Darlie do, from deathrow, but to tell all she knows?

If anybody should be working on that, who else but Darin? Why isn't your suspicion on Darin in that case?


I'm not suggesting either of them ISN'T working and doing their best to help. My question is what do you KNOW to suggest that they aren't, if anything?

You said it is obvious. What do you know that I don't know?
jellyb
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Re: the husband...

Jul 20, 2006 3:02 PM
My true feelings are this: As mothers, when our child trips our hearts skip a beat until we know they are ok. To see our very reasons for living brutally murdered in front of us would most likely put us in a mental institution - if not in the grave by our own hand due to the unbearable pain.
One only need look in the eyes of a John Walsh, Mark Klass, or Sharon Rocha (to name a few) to know that the brutal murder of your child leaves you lifeless, with only the drive to not let your childs death have been in vain a reason to keep living.
Logic alone tells us that were Darlie truly innocent, and her husband not involved, not only would it be inconceivable for them to hold a graveside party laughing, chewing gum, etc. - but they would be diligently trying to find who did this to their babies and working to help others. Which obviously, they are not.
dailyreader
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Re: the husband...

Jul 19, 2006 1:12 PM
Didn't Darin take a shower before going to the hospital?
GeorgiaTygress
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Re: the husband...

Jun 13, 2006 12:51 AM
Thank for clearing up the confusion on the time frame. It's not an especially important detail but I'm glad to know my memory wasn't playing tricks on me.
cami
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Re: the husband...

Jun 12, 2006 2:13 PM
> Where did you find the allegation that it was two
> days before the murders and it was his
> stepfather-in-law he asked? Not that the time frame
> would change the issue, but who he asked certainly
> could.
>
> As far as Darin and the family just making these
> claims to create doubt, you make a lot of sense
> there. I can't think of a more logical reason for
> Darin to telling the police and signing an affidavit
> so long after the murders about it. If he'd done it
> in the first couple days, it would be more impressive
> for their case because he'd be trying to help them
> find the killers. To do it so long after they were
> all convinced of Darlie's guilt does make it sound
> like they were just blowing smoke.
>
> Have any theories for why he would think it would
> help to claim Darlie asked him for a separation
> before the murders? The only implication that
> provides for is that he did it instead of Darlie in a
> rage or after hours of brooding because he wasn't
> going to let Darlie leave and take the children.
> But, if he thought that would create reasonable
> e doubt, why not testify to it? Why not put it
> before the jury to say you can't convict her because
> you can't be sure whether she did it or he did it?
>
> To just make the statement and it be false would only
> seem to prove his stupidity. That's why I originally
> said it was interesting that he made these admissions
> as opposed to saying "ooh, he said this, so Darlie
> must be innocent". It's just one more of the puzzles
> of this case that make no sense.

It was two months, not days...it's in Darin's affidavit on the forjustice site.

"In March or April, 1996, I asked my father-in-law Robbie Gene Kee, if he knew anyone who would agree to burglarize my home as part of an insurance scam. I said that I would arrange for my family to be absent from my house at 5801 Eagle Drive, that someone who I would hire would come to the house and take away the furniture and other items from my house in a U-Haul truck, and that I would then pay that person from the proceeds of the resulting insurance payments."




http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/affidavits/affidavit-13.php
GeorgiaTygress
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Re: the husband...

Jun 11, 2006 10:49 AM
Where did you find the allegation that it was two days before the murders and it was his stepfather-in-law he asked? Not that the time frame would change the issue, but who he asked certainly could.

As far as Darin and the family just making these claims to create doubt, you make a lot of sense there. I can't think of a more logical reason for Darin to telling the police and signing an affidavit so long after the murders about it. If he'd done it in the first couple days, it would be more impressive for their case because he'd be trying to help them find the killers. To do it so long after they were all convinced of Darlie's guilt does make it sound like they were just blowing smoke.

Have any theories for why he would think it would help to claim Darlie asked him for a separation before the murders? The only implication that provides for is that he did it instead of Darlie in a rage or after hours of brooding because he wasn't going to let Darlie leave and take the children. But, if he thought that would create reasonable doubt, why not testify to it? Why not put it before the jury to say you can't convict her because you can't be sure whether she did it or he did it?

To just make the statement and it be false would only seem to prove his stupidity. That's why I originally said it was interesting that he made these admissions as opposed to saying "ooh, he said this, so Darlie must be innocent". It's just one more of the puzzles of this case that make no sense.
Goody
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Re: the husband...

Jun 10, 2006 12:46 AM
> Interesting that Darin admitted to looking for
> someone to burglarize the home for insurance money
> three months before the murders and that he admitted
> Darlie asked for a separation the night before the
> murders.

Try two days before the murders....and who did he ask? His stepfather-in-law....like that was a serious effort. LOL! They are just trying to create doubt over who did it to free Darlie. No meat at all in these claims. They are just claims.
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