The mother- she's guilty as sin

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mjwe
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Mar 4, 2007 3:55 PM
thanx! i had never read that b4 or visited that site. ill have to send it along to my sister; we were just discussing this case last week......
cami
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Feb 21, 2007 1:58 PM
> >>>And the oddest thing of all is what the husband
> said to the lead investigator the night of the
> tragedy. His comments were about how "beautiful
> Darlie is" and "aren't her breasts large and
> beautiful" , etc.<<<

>
> really? is there a link where i could read about
> this?



http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts.php

Here you go. Here's a link to the transcripts. You'll have to find what you are looking for on your own.

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mjwe
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Feb 20, 2007 7:50 PM
>>>And the oddest thing of all is what the husband said to the lead investigator the night of the tragedy. His comments were about how "beautiful Darlie is" and "aren't her breasts large and beautiful" , etc.<<<

really? is there a link where i could read about this?
millasmommy
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jan 26, 2007 10:22 AM
I also think she did it, with help from her husband.

I am a mom, who lost a child, and i couldn't stop crying for months. I wanted to die myself.

People had to pull me away from the grave, for I was digging with my own hands.

Darlie didn't even drop a tear when she saw her boys lying on a slab, or in their graves. In fact, she threw a party.

When we buried our daughter ( died of natural causes) nobody was allowed near her grave. I was that protective.

And she has a film crew there when she went to the graves?????? Sick

Not waking up, but the dog always attacks people he doesn't know????

Why didn't the dog go for the intruder???

Simply...she was the intruder.......

If my ohter kids even cough during the night, i am awake, and she didn't hear a thing???

Yeah right...

And the list goes on and on....
Goody
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Sep 9, 2006 8:12 PM
Long post, Chad, so I will only address the statements I think are in error rather than all I might disagree with.

>
> Many consider the knife proof positive because it
> it was apparently used to break OUT, not in. But
> none consider that he just walked right in the front
> door. ........>
> considering the routiers less than urban
> an beginnings. I'd be surprised if the front door
> was locked. they lived in a community that was well
> known for being safe.

That goes in direct conflict with Darlie's and Darin's statements so if you are correct, and the perp did walk in the front door, who cut the screen and why are the Routier's lying about it?


>
> I myself lean towards the belief that this was a
> a lust driven crime. The youngster was obviously no
> professional. The wounds on the children were
> haphazard, there is evidence his frantic attempts to
> kill were ineffective. >>>>

Devon was stabbed only twice and both were well targeted into major organs. He died within minutes, so fast, in fact, he did not or could not move from his original position.

Damon was stabbed a couple of times in the back where it is more difficult to hit major organs, so it took longer for him to die. He managed to crawl several feet to the other side of the room where he was attacked again...by wo this time? Darlie claims Damon was by the sofa next to her when the man fled. She claims he touched her and said her name, so that would have put him at least on his knees. He didn't move after being stabbed the second time. Blood evidence by the kitchen entry where he was found supports that. By the time he got over there, the perp was exiting thru the garage according to Darlie. So who stabbed Damon in the second location if not one of the parents?

I believe when it came to
> confronting the object of his lust (and she was a
> gorgeous lady, you're fooling yourself if you think
> she didn't have what it takes to arouse the lust of
> more than a few teenage boys) he was not able to
> strike with such vigor and determination. At this
> point the boy is purely insane, he's just stabbed two
> boys, and then the woman he probably fantasized was
> going to fall in love with him is attacking him. He
> is seriously at this point in defensive mode and
> striking with the intent of getting away.

Nice fantasy but not a shred of evidence to back it up.


>
> Folks, the blood was all over the place. It was
> as splattered all over the place. There was a
> serious FIGHT occurred. Bleeding people were moving
> all around the living room, all over the kitchen, and
> I don't know how many other places.

All that blood is Darlie's, not the boys, except in the locations where the boys bodies were attacked/found. And it is not a lot of blood. The eye can be deceiving. What we see in photos are close ups up it, making those drops look a lot bigger than they are. There is so much of it because Darlie made several trips back and forth thru those rooms while bleeding. The question is was she bringing wet towels to Darin or doing something else?

>
> You guys will never convince me a mother did that,
> t, staged it all, went around splattering blood all
> over the place to make it look like a great fight.

Don't intend to bcause that is probably not what happened.

>
> I'd be willing to examine ANY evidence you guys
> ys want to show and I'll bet NONE of you can come up
> with evidence of a woman EVER in history chasing her
> kids all over the house stabbing them slowly to
> death.

Does drowning count? Yates chased her older children around the house to catch them so she could drown them. She was described as a loving mother, too.
>
>
>...... In this case the mother, for the blood
> evidence to match up to the verdict, she was chasing
> these kids around, killing them one stab at a time.
> THEN going back to finish them off when it turns out
> t one of them isn't COMPLETELY dead yet.

There is absolutely NO blood evidence that indicates Darlie chased anyone around the house trying to stab them. Devon never moved from where he slept. Damon was stabbed in two locations but nothing suggests he was up on his feet running from her. The evidnce suggests that he most likely crawled to the second location when she was distracted or out of the room and when discovering that he was he was not dead, stabbed him again after cutting her own throat which explains why only Damon's and her blood was found on the knife.

>
> I defy any of you to find a single example of a
> a mother doing THAT before.

Children are killed by parents with knives all the time. Do an internet search. They are hard to find but they are out there.
>
> Of course it is possible, and I'm not discounting
> ng the possibility of anybody being that insane.
> Absolutely not.

Darlie was not insane.

>
> I just do NOT believe anybody here (or in the
> he trial) provided ANY evidence that she is/was that
> insane.

The cast off from the knife as she raised it over her shoulder is the most compelling. There is no other explanation for how it got there. Tests used to prove that are used by the top forensics experts all over the world to track the direction of cast off blood in knife attacks and blunt force objects. It is not BS. The only way she can get past that is to prove an equally compelling theory that disputes the top experts methods.
>
> Consider HOW insane that is. Remember that neither
> er of the boys were just cut their throat. Both were
> savagely killed........ slowly. One SO slowly he was
> still alive when MRS ROUTIER called 911, and STILL
> alive when paramedics arrived. Pretty sloppy if
> you're a parent who is killing your kids. I'm an
> adult, I could kill a 6 year old that I have
> premeditatively decided to kill, pretty quick. I
> could do that WITHOUT leaving evidence it was me that
> did it.

Attys and cops can't kill people without leaving something behind to incriminate them. You just think you can outwit the experts. Possible, certainly, but unlikely with the technology we have today. Unless, of course, you are filthy rich and get lucky enough to get the Keystone Cops on your case to botch up what evidence that might slip thru your manipulations. Exceptions to ever rule, they say.
cami
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 25, 2006 1:42 PM
> jellyb, hello.
> These sequents of events that you have outlined,
> bothers me as well. The time frame is wrong.
> As I've posted before, I really dislike this Darlie
> individual, but that is not what makes a killer.
> Her family & friends testified that on 3 various
> occassions - the third being the night of the attacks
> - that Darlie asked her husband for a separation.
> He also admitted to detectives that he had sought out
> someone to pull a b&e for insurance purposes.
> And the oddest thing of all is what the husband said
> to the lead investigator the night of the tragedy.
> His comments were about how "beautiful Darlie is" and
> "aren't her breasts large and beautiful" , etc.
> What father would be concentrating on this when their
> 2 sons were so viciously murdered? He was standing in
> the room where his one son's body lay on the floor,
> covered by a sheet and this is what he chooses to
> discuss?
> Something really 'hinky' here, I'll tell ya'.

Wilma, Darin didn't admit anything to detectives. In fact the b&e story surfaced 6 years after the murders. Read my previous post on the timeline...
cami
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 25, 2006 1:40 PM
> • The timeline is impossible. The state's own expert
> testified that Damon, who was still alive when the
> paramedics arrived, could not have lived any longer
> than 9 minutes. The 911 call lasts for 5 minutes and
> 44 seconds. Darlie is on the phone the entire time.
> The paramedics were held up for two minutes by police
> officers that were inspecting the house before they
> allowed them in. This gives Darlie approximately 1
> minute and 16 seconds to inflict her wounds, stage a
> crime scene, and plant the bloody sock 75 yards from
> the Routier home

the clock starts ticking with the 911 call. Damon was stabbed in two separate attacks in two separate areas of the room. The 9 minutes starts with the second set of stab wounds. Plenty of time for Darlie to have staged anything she wanted. Maybe she had an accomplice who put that sock in the alley.
chadintex
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Jul 21, 2006 6:42 AM
> I believe their mother murdered them and the father
> was probably involved. Why wouldn't an intruder
> bring a weapon with him/her? Espeacilly if the
> intruder is dressed in black!! Did he wear a mask?
> Sounds like the doofus in Home Alone. And I don't
> t care what we DIDN'T see--she could have placed
> those kind of bruises on herself. Just whack
> yourself with a hammer, that will do the trick. And
> of couse she had the time to set a crime scene.
> Isn't that what 1st degree murder is?! Its planned,
> , its premeditated, so that you can swim in the
> storm. And how...HOW can you SLEEP through your
> children being attacked like that? And the baby
> upstairs keeps you awake? Stupid! And the knife
> thing--NONE of that adds up to an intruder. The
> detectives are right. And if all this were not
> enough, there is the party by the gravesites...She
> looked like she was vacationing in Malibu. The whole
> family did. I don't care what the jury didn't see.
> Her husband seemed much more eager to talk about when
> they met,how they met, their money, their
> lifestyle--with a smile. WE DON'T CARE! Two kids
> are dead!

The knife does puzzle me. The gravesite party does not, I consider that normal. (yes I know most of you young will not understand, I have 4 kids)

The knife though bothers me alot. I don't consider it overwhelming evidence though. In fact I consider it underwhelming. There is a theory that it was a teenager breaking in with thoughts of raping her.

Many consider the knife proof positive because it was apparently used to break OUT, not in. But none consider that he just walked right in the front door. I live in a small town. Rockwall (that's it right) is close to dallas, but it's still a pretty small community and one most people consider a very safe one. I can tell you that where I live we don't lock our doors and it's unusual for us NOT to leave our keys in the car. As I type this, my doors are all unlocked. I probably will not lock them (unless something creeps me out) before I go to bed, and I have 2 cars in the driveway, both of which are unlocked WITH the keys in the ignition.

Many people, since most DO live in cities can't imagine that people DO live this way. Since I've been an adult and raising children (in an unlocked house, with the keys in the care, barn unlocked too, didn't mention that earlier) I've only ever had one thing stolen from me. A motorcycle helmet. I never found out who got it, I never bothered to report it to the police.

considering the routiers less than urban beginnings. I'd be surprised if the front door was locked. they lived in a community that was well known for being safe.

I myself lean towards the belief that this was a lust driven crime. The youngster was obviously no professional. The wounds on the children were haphazard, there is evidence his frantic attempts to kill were ineffective. I believe when it came to confronting the object of his lust (and she was a gorgeous lady, you're fooling yourself if you think she didn't have what it takes to arouse the lust of more than a few teenage boys) he was not able to strike with such vigor and determination. At this point the boy is purely insane, he's just stabbed two boys, and then the woman he probably fantasized was going to fall in love with him is attacking him. He is seriously at this point in defensive mode and striking with the intent of getting away.

Folks, the blood was all over the place. It was splattered all over the place. There was a serious FIGHT occurred. Bleeding people were moving all around the living room, all over the kitchen, and I don't know how many other places.

You guys will never convince me a mother did that, staged it all, went around splattering blood all over the place to make it look like a great fight.

I'd be willing to examine ANY evidence you guys want to show and I'll bet NONE of you can come up with evidence of a woman EVER in history chasing her kids all over the house stabbing them slowly to death.

Some of you might even bring up the case of the mother that cut her childs arms off and killed her. I don't think it even remotely compares. This woman was OBVIOUSLY insane, and there was never any doubt she did it, because she admitted it right off.

This is FAR FAR if it can be imagined more gruesome. In this case the mother, for the blood evidence to match up to the verdict, she was chasing these kids around, killing them one stab at a time. THEN going back to finish them off when it turns out one of them isn't COMPLETELY dead yet.

I defy any of you to find a single example of a mother doing THAT before.

Of course it is possible, and I'm not discounting the possibility of anybody being that insane. Absolutely not.

I just do NOT believe anybody here (or in the trial) provided ANY evidence that she is/was that insane.

Consider HOW insane that is. Remember that neither of the boys were just cut their throat. Both were savagely killed........ slowly. One SO slowly he was still alive when MRS ROUTIER called 911, and STILL alive when paramedics arrived. Pretty sloppy if you're a parent who is killing your kids. I'm an adult, I could kill a 6 year old that I have premeditatively decided to kill, pretty quick. I could do that WITHOUT leaving evidence it was me that did it.

But who needs evidence problems when you apparently aren't even bothering to set up evidence?

Let's say mom just cut both their throats where they both die quickly and silently. Would her case be LESS strong if it had been done that way? Nope, it would have been stronger. So her case would have been stronger if her children had been quickly silenced and killed rather than savagely brutalized.

I'm speaking towards the theory, at this point, that it was a premeditative act by one parent, the mother.

I don't buy it. If she (or even they) were trying to set up a scene where it would look like somebody else did it. They must be completely retarded. I don't mean to insult underpriveleged people, but retarded people with plenty of time and motive could have arranged the scene a thousand times better to look like an outsider did it.

I believe an innocent woman is sitting on death row charged with the murder of her own children. This is a very, very ugly world. Is there a shadow of a doubt. It's not just a shadow of a doubt, it's the full fledged mirror image of a doubt. We, as a society, are murdering a woman, an innocent woman. The killer of HER and her children roams at large. I will never forget this case.
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 20, 2006 2:55 PM
Actually, I just posted that "timeline" paragraph because I read it on a different web site and was curious what the responses would be.
My true feelings are this: As mothers, when our child trips our hearts skip a beat until we know they are ok. To see our very reasons for living brutally murdered in front of us would most likely put us in a mental institution - if not in the grave by our own hand due to the unbearable pain.
One only need look in the eyes of a John Walsh, Mark Klass, or Sharon Rocha (to name a few) to know that the brutal murder of your child leaves you lifeless, with only the drive to not let your childs death have been in vain a reason to keep living.
Logic alone tells us that were Darlie truly innocent, and her husband not involved, not only would it be inconceivable for them to hold a graveside party laughing, chewing gum, etc. - but they would be diligently trying to find who did this to their babies and working to help others. Which obviously, they are not.
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 20, 2006 2:12 PM
jellyb, hello.
These sequents of events that you have outlined, bothers me as well. The time frame is wrong.
As I've posted before, I really dislike this Darlie individual, but that is not what makes a killer.
Her family & friends testified that on 3 various occassions - the third being the night of the attacks - that Darlie asked her husband for a separation.
He also admitted to detectives that he had sought out someone to pull a b&e for insurance purposes.
And the oddest thing of all is what the husband said to the lead investigator the night of the tragedy. His comments were about how "beautiful Darlie is" and "aren't her breasts large and beautiful" , etc.
What father would be concentrating on this when their 2 sons were so viciously murdered? He was standing in the room where his one son's body lay on the floor, covered by a sheet and this is what he chooses to discuss?
Something really 'hinky' here, I'll tell ya'.
jellyb
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Jul 20, 2006 1:31 PM
• The timeline is impossible. The state's own expert testified that Damon, who was still alive when the paramedics arrived, could not have lived any longer than 9 minutes. The 911 call lasts for 5 minutes and 44 seconds. Darlie is on the phone the entire time. The paramedics were held up for two minutes by police officers that were inspecting the house before they allowed them in. This gives Darlie approximately 1 minute and 16 seconds to inflict her wounds, stage a crime scene, and plant the bloody sock 75 yards from the Routier home
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 20, 2006 12:50 PM
I'm the mother of three and I hear my children in the night time even when they are coughing. I wake out of my deep sleep. I don't know but I think it's just instinct. She was asleep in the same room her sons where brutally stabbed to death and she says she didn't watch up. The intruders barely left any marks on her body but viciously murdered her little boys? COME on! Their are pictures from the crime scene and her jewelry and purse are sitting on the kitchen counter undisturbed. Isn't that odd. Why would an intruder come inside her home just to kill two little boys? Think about long and hard. It points to one person, DARLIE. I don't think she saw an intruder, I think she killed her son's one by one. How? She probably covered their mouths and stabbed them one after the other until they weren't breathing any more. If they were screaming don't you think the father would have heard them? I know my husband jumps out of bed when he hears the slightest noises in the night. The children and I like to Slumber party in the living room. I don't buy the fact that someone else could have committed this crime. What was the motive? Money and greed. Darlie was running out of money, it drove her crazy and probably one night she snapped. She took her anger out on her children. She probably thought two less problems to deal with. She's a baby killer.
Candylynn28
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 19, 2006 1:34 PM
Im new to this posting andI just wanted to say that Im not sure what to think. Since one of the secret recordings was NOT presented in court I do believe that the mother should be allowed a new and FAIR trial. I dont believe anyone else ws involved. Just one question though...if you say she is as *guilty as sin* you may want to ask yourself...just how guilty would sin itself be??
dailyreader
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 19, 2006 1:16 PM
Regarding the bruises:

I once had and IV and the inside of my entire forearm bruised shortly afterwards. Large, dark bruising.

Even when I give blood, the inside of my joint will turn blue.

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Edited by dailyreader at 07/19/2006 10:17 AM
Jordie
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Re: The mother- she's guilty as sin

Jul 17, 2006 5:36 AM
I forgot to state, that I am also tired of all these parents who are now using the excuse that God told them to kill their children, .......My 5 year old grandson said to me one day. .. Nana why would God tell that lady to kill her baby if God is the one that made us, does that mean that God is a killer and why isn't he in jail? Now for me that was mind blowing the words from a child's mouth........ And I had to truly explain this to him, because it scared me to think that my precious grandson's feelings or thoughts were the same one whom created him will kill him.......God Bless our Children for they become products of their environment
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